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Exactly what is says on the tin…you want overcrank quality slow motion with a camera that doesn’t have it but shoots 50p or 60p? Then this is how you do it with a Mac.

One word of warning. This is a one way process so if you want to keep the 50p/60p version make a backup!
See the results here: http://philipbloom.co.uk/2009/05/02/kauai-sunset-lumix-gh1-slow-motion/

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  1. Was always looking for a tutorial like this and am still little bit confused…

    How do you open the clip in Cinema Tool? Are exporting first a Quick Time file from fcp or are you taking a file from the row file?

    Hope you understand my question.

    Cheers

    1. Nino says:

      Hi Thomas,

      I think Philip took the raw file for the conversion. That’s the fastest and easiest way. But as has been mentioned before, make a duplicate of the clip before you reconform it in CinemaTools!

    2. pbloom says:

      I import via log and transfer the file which converts it to pro res 422, then open up that clip in cinema tools…yes to duplicating clip or you lose the 50p

      1. By log and transfer from my Sony EX3 cam it creates a XDCAM EX 720p50 (35 Mb/s VBR) compressed file which is not supported in cinema tools. I guess the best way to work around is to render the sequenz as a pro res 422 quick time and than import it again….

        Or does somebody know a better way?

        PS: (thanx Nino and Philip for replying to my other question)

        1. I think you can try to import with mpeg streamclip with the DVCPROHD codec and that will work with cinema tools.

          1. Hi Phillip ,

            I wonder if i do it right , i first make the 50pclip 25p in cinema tools an then i trensfer it to XDcamHD25p but when i open the clips in FCP it has to render them , even if i change the settings to the right sequance settings .

            Hope u can help me ?

            Love your site thanks a lot !

            1. pbloom says:

              that should not happen. can you send me frame grabs of your sequence settings and clip settings?

  2. Tyson Banks says:

    Thanks for another great tutorial, Philip. Looks like you’re having a great time in Hawaii.
    I have a question about this technique too. Can it work with 50i, or 60i? I wanna say no, because since those are interlaced, wouldn’t they come out at 25p, 30p?
    Anyways, thanks again, and enjoy the beach!

    1. Tyson Banks says:

      gotta read through before I post…that should be “25p, 30p, normal speed.” Really, I guess I don’t know what I’m talking about

  3. John Hyland says:

    This is great. I’m guessing this isn’t like round tripping; it might be best to duplicate the original clip before altering it.

    1. pbloom says:

      yep…i didn’t mention that…once it is converting it is done and you can’t change it back! so make a duplicate!

  4. philip,
    i wrote up a small thing on the canon hf11 and 1080p over 60i and cinema tools/compressor. write up can be found here: http://www.helium14.tumblr.com

    talks about the non-standard cadence and how to deal with it.

  5. Phil says:

    Hi Philip, How is this easier than just right clicking on the clip in the timeline and setting the ‘speed’ to 50% (without frame blending), this is non-destructive and to me creates the same result.

  6. [...] a big problem. Stick it on a 25p timeline and it works a treat, or change the timebase in Apple’s Cinema Tools to 25p and you get nice slow motion! USA cameras get 24p in a 60i stream and 60fps in 720p mode. It also can record in 30 minute chunks, [...]

  7. Ingve Steinskog Steinskog says:

    Hello! Great Tutorial !
    I have a problem, when I have imported the film in Cinema Tools, I can`t press Confirm. I filmed in 60 fps and want to take it to 25fps
    what do I need to do?

    1. pbloom says:

      What format is 60p footage in?

      1. Ingve Steinskog Steinskog says:

        720 60p

      2. Kenton Lawrence says:

        Thank you Phyl for that tutorial, that was something I needed to know about recording in slow motion. However, after I record a demo in 720p 60p on the hvx200 at normal speed, when I reduced it in cinema tool to 30 frames the sound is warped like playing a 45 record at 33 speed. Is there any way this could be corrected so that it sound normal when the video is playing.
        What kind of adjustment can be made to this to correct it.

        Thank you for your tutorial looking forward to hearing form you.
        Kenton

  8. Tom says:

    Phillip, I am have a devil of a time re-creating your easy video here on conforming a clip shot in 720/60p to slow motion 24p. Cinema Tools will open my file, but then I have no control over it. I cannot click “conform” or do anything to it? What am I doing wrong?

    1. pbloom says:

      what codec are you trying to format? some wont work…

  9. Josh says:

    Thomas rather than rendering a sequence i would suggest you do a batch conversion via the media manager – create a bit with the clips you need to convert, then open up the media manager and do a batch conversion to ProRes.

  10. yayonline says:

    Hi Philip, I hope we can see you in Spain soon. One cuestion. In the presentation at the London FCPUG about Canon 5D workflow, when you made and example of using cinematools for changing fps to a clip from 30 to 24, I see that the original clip was in ProRess. You know that original compresion on the 5D is H.264. So the question is this: if you wanna use cinematools as an option for convertion fps, at first you have to convert from H.264 to ProRess, and them make the fps down? When I try to make the fps convertion from original video of 5D (H.264-30fps) to 25 fps, the conform buttom is disabled in Cinematools. Another thing; if for using cinematools you have to make first a conversion of compressor (from h264 to ProRes) and after this, the fps conversion (from 30 to 25), I think that two times converting are too much times.
    Congratulations for your teaching work. I hope you´ll be in the spanish Broadcast show in november giving us a masterclass.
    (sorry for my english)

    1. pbloom says:

      you should be able to conform native h264 files in cinema tools. I can

      1. yayonline says:

        Sorry Philip, but all the native clips in H.264 that I open in cinema tools, after make analysis, the compressor field is empty, and the conform buttom is unable. This is my first time I use cinema tools, and I very lost in this program. one question, Is posible that I have to say to the program that the H.264 is ready for use in any place of settings, or something like this? the same buttom of preferences is also unable.
        Gracias

  11. David Peter O'Brien says:

    Thanks so much for publishing this. What a wonderful, straightforward and useful demonstration. You just saved me a lot of time and aggravation. I really appreciate you putting this up on the internet so others can have the benefit of it!
    David

  12. Roger says:

    Thanks Phil, this is a fantasic way of doing some slowmo fast… :)

  13. Wayne says:

    Hi Philip. Amazing site!

    Just to confirm, you would recommend transcode to ProRes, etc., THEN conform to 24/25p yes?

    Cheers,

    Wayne

    1. pbloom says:

      yes do edit first then transcode finished edit.

  14. Fabrice V says:

    hello !

    you are so great Philip with yours tutorials and test, i’m in the process to buy a DSLR (7 or 5??) and you help me so many times !!

    – about the codec : why encode the native H.264(7D or 5DMkII) in proRES422 or other codec ? the quality is cheaper after more and more encode, isn’t it ?

    have you got a better color control after encode in proRES422 ??

    – what do you think about the Juiced link for the sound ? i don’t find a test about that. you don’t work with ?

    i work with an HVX200 and i want to change for a DSLR or a lighter stuff…
    U can see my work here => http://www.vimeo.com/4330975

    thanks for answer

  15. well thank you philip Bloom. You made my day.
    Lots of greetings from switzerland.

    Dan

  16. David Arango says:

    any ideas on how to pull it from a windows machine?? No cinema tools here… :(

  17. Stu says:

    Why is this better than changing the speed of the clip in FCP to say 50%?

    1. pbloom says:

      i have better results using cinema tools

      1. Castroy says:

        Yes, but images are darker than the original clip after conformation at 25p.
        You can’t match directly a piece of the original one and then the rest of the movement in slow motion :-(

        1. pbloom says:

          they are darker?

  18. Craig says:

    Hi Phil. I love your page and your blog, it has really, really helped me come to the decision to buy a 7D recently. Your articles are both entertaining and informative, so I can’t thank you enough for that.

    I have a question I thought you may be able to answer. I shot a bunch of footage at 60p (720) and wondered how I should edit it together with my normal 24p (1080) stuff? Should it all be on the same 1080p timeline, thus upressing the 720 clips, or the other way around?

    Any help would be really appreciated.

    -C

    1. pbloom says:

      you cant have 60p and 24p on same timeline as they are different frames rates. did you shoot 60p to get slow motion? if so then simply use this tutorial to make it 24p 720p and it will go on same timeline

      1. Craig says:

        hi philip. many thanks for the reply! my footage was 60fps for slow motion. i used your technique to conform to 24p and it looks excellent, however is it just a case of putting it on the 1080p timeline with the rest of the footage and letting FCP deal with upressing it?

        thanks again. i love the site mate!

        -C

        1. pbloom says:

          absolutely Craig. FCP does a fine job doing that

  19. Rob says:

    Great little tutorial Philip, thanks for sharing. Now trying to figure out how to fix the sound which when converted is also slowed. Any suggestions. Love your site and your work.

  20. Chris says:

    I was wondering if you had any advice to improve the quality of slow motion shot at 60i. Can you convert the clips to a progressive rate using cinema tools? will this help?

    thanks
    Chris

  21. Victor Entrecanales says:

    Thanks , great tutorial !!!

  22. Brolin says:

    is there a way to ‘conform’ the clip from 60fps to 30fps in Final Cut Express? or is the only way to get Cinema Tools through the full Pro version?

    1. pbloom says:

      put it on timeline, slow it down to 50% and remove frame blending. won’t be quite as good but should work well

  23. josh says:

    thanks for the tutorial philip

    i’ve followed instructions up until cinema tools, had the clip conformed from 60fps to 23.98fps. seems to have slo-mo’ed in cinema tools, but the item format does not change in final cut. its still at 60fps. ?

    1. josh says:

      sorry never mind, i forgot i copied the clip and was referring back to the original

      again, awesome tutorial, thanks!

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  25. jeroen klokgieters says:

    cool but why would you do it with cinema tools? you can do it in final cut pro at 50% that would also give you 25fps. am i right or wrong ?