The Red One

Discussion in 'RED Cameras' started by Jack Buck, Nov 5, 2012.

  1. Jack Buck Not quite so new!

    I may consider getting one of these next year, what are peoples thoughts. Can i use my terrible lilliput monitor to start with, as theres costs $1600 and what do i need to start shooting 4k.

    Help will be appreciated,

    i was thinking fs100, 5d & gh3, and fs700. but why do i not just get this while its cheaper $4000 for red body.

    Thanks
  2. Mike Flynn Chatty!

    You'll probably need mounting system (rails), storage and lenses.
  3. Adam Roberts Chatty!

    To shoot with a Red One you will need:

    Red One - $4000

    Recording options:
    Red One SSD Module - $1500
    Red SSD 64GB - $725 (will need way more than that)
    or
    Red One CF Module - $500 - not sure CF option is currently available Red One
    Red CF Card 16GB - $300 (will need way more than that)
    or
    Red Drive - $?? - No longer available

    Power options
    Battery Plate and DC Power Cable (or Battery Belt Clip) - $290
    Red Brick - $450 (or other v-mount battery)
    Red Charger - $550 (or other v-mount charger)
    or
    Red One Power Pack - $1450
    or
    AC Power - $135

    If you don't have PL Mount lenses you'll need an adaptor. The Red on won't run EF lenses.
    Red One Nikon Mount - $500

    Then you need monitoring. The Lilliput could work.

    Then you need to think about the system you will be editing and grading on. You storage system for data management and archiving.

    You are no longer looking at just $4k. All adds up really fast.
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  4. Matt Davis Administrator

    It's all very tempting.

    It all sounds a bit like owning a used Porsche (which a friend tried a while back)... Yes, one can get an oldish one in passable condition for the price of an 'ordinary' car and swallow (if you excuse the mixed metaphors) the cost of fuel consumption. But then you discover that the rear tyres don't last between services, and that each one costs the same as four ordinary tyres. Spare parts, even pattern ones, cost the earth too. Everything - but EVERYTHING - costs more. And it doesn't stop.

    Also bear in mind that we're talking about a camera that took 90 seconds to 'reboot', a camera that, if it were a person, comes with a 'rider' and needs an 'entourage' to look after it. I'm not dissing it - it's just that it started out as and remains, at heart, a cinema camera - the design assumes a camera team, a separate DIT team, a camera budget, a certain given number of setups per day, and is totally capable of delivering beautiful results.

    I hear your 4K needs, but 4K may be available in other cameras by then (e.g. FS700, with 12 bit raw too). But even then, at $4k I personally would stil go for the Black Magic Cine Camera over the Red One as I don't operate in a 'cinema' fashion.

    But then again, just the 'shot on Red' has a cachet that (to pick a random example) 'shot on FS100', doesn't.
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  5. Adam Roberts Chatty!

    The Red One is an amazing camera but as you say it required a lot more investment in both people and parts.

    I did a little calculation on shooting RAW.

    Lets look at the offering from Red.
    Simplest starter pack for a Red One (LCD, 64GB, 1 batteries, PL mount): $7,810.00 (±£4,900.00)

    4.5k resolution (14 megapixel) camera. 1.3 crop factor on the Full Frame DSLR like the 5D or D800. So similar to the 7D, 550D or D7000.

    Up to 30fps at 4.5K. 120fps at 1080p. However, Red does not scale the full data from the sensor to get other resolutions in video. It crops the sensor. So the crop factor for 2K becomes 3.46!

    Simplest starter pack Red Scarlet (Side handle, LCD, 64GB, 2 batteries, Canon mount) fine for stills shooter with Canon glass: $14,190.00 (±£9,000.00)

    But you wanna do more than just shoot stills in the studio and shoot for more than 30min.
    ("upgrade" to 4 x 256GB, 4 Batteries, 2 Chargers, Canon and Nikon mount)
    Red Scarlet: $24,165.00 (±@15,000.00)
    Red Epic: $35,215.00 (±£23,000.00)

    Both Scarlet and Epic are 5k resolution (14 megapixel) cameras. 1.3 crop factor on the Full Frame DSLR like the 5D or D800. So similar to the 7D, 550D or D7000.

    Scarlet can do up to 30fps at 4K. 60fps at 1080p HD. I'll repeat, Red does not scale the full data from the sensor to get other resolutions in video. It crops the sensor. So the crop factor for 1080p HD becomes 3.46!

    Epic can do up to 120fps at 5k (1.3 crop factor). Up to 300fps at 1080p HD (3.46 crop).

    So you can see where the extra cost comes in to play.

    The Blackmagic Cinema Camera (if it ever ships in volume) has a 2.5k resolution. 2.4 crop factor. It'll shoot up to 30fps at full resolution. Simplest starter pack (camera and 64GB SSD) Canon mount: ±£2,000.00

    Kitted out to shoot more than 30min would cost about ±£5,000.00. Seems a good starting point.

    I would love the Epic.... maybe one day. :) In the meantime I'll rent when needed.
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  6. Jack Buck Not quite so new!

    Hello, thanks to everyone who has helped. I agree with all of you. Rabbit in headlights. I will be holding of. How these cameras are being released its a bit stupid for me to decide now, when i'm going to get it some time next year. I do not need 4K for what I do, but thought it would be nice so i do not have to get another camera for about 10 years. I will see what the future brings. Thanks again for your help, and cheers Adam for calculating everything ;).
  7. Tim Bradley I'm new!

    They are great cameras and @ $4000 a good price. As said above you need lots of accessories, but that can be said of most cameras these days.
    If I didn't need a camera until next year I would wait and see what other cameras come out. As Red is pricing the Red One so low that will push other manufacturers to match or beat that price point for a similar spec-ed camera.
  8. Adam Roberts Chatty!

    The $4k for the RedOne was a special on used bodies. The RedOne has been discontinued. They were priced so low so they could clear stock. So buying one would be buying into an end of line product.

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