Given up on Vegas

Discussion in 'Other NLEs' started by Paul Wood, Dec 22, 2012.

  1. Paul Wood Chatty!

    After years of using Vegas, (starting at v6) I have finally made the jump to another NLE. Its a sad day when the developers don't even respond to questions and bug reports. Personally, i think they lost it. I was completely ignored by them (SCS).
    So, having shouted too many times about Vegas video levels being completely wrong for years, i finally gave up. Sadness indeed, i was a huge fan.
    Now trying Premiere after checking out Edius - both are good! But PPro won in the end. And i'm loving it. No more issues with rendering or preview levels. No more having to worry about what the final result will look like once rendered, it simply works. So i can get on with the artistic element rather than waste time at every technical detail.
    Wondering how others are finding v12, i didn't get that far. Got as far as the trial and gave up sadly.
    Well, its just my opinion, but i'm glad i moved away from a development team seemingly going nowhere and not listening to its loyal customers. At least Adobe listen and react. Thoughts?
  2. Ivan Lietaert Chatty!

    Well, I've been using Vegas Movie Studio since version 6 also and I have now upgraded to VMS 12 (64bit) on a Windows 8 Pro machine (low spec) and I love it! In the upgrade I bought, they even included Magic Bullet Looks, which is valued more than the price I paid for the upgrade. I'm not sure which issues you had with it, but on my cleanly installed machine, it is running smooth like butter.
  3. Paul Wood Chatty!

    Hi Ivan,
    Glad to hear your VMS is working for you so well. But of course VMS and Vegas Pro are different applications. I have had so many issues with v11 and during v12 trial (and beta) i just ended up walking away from it. Sadness.

    Listing my main issues here:
    1)Incorrect video previews (not wysiwyg) on internal preview monitor, external mon workable.
    2)Incorrect rendering of video levels unless you know all the work arounds. And its not that simple when you include text or graphics in your project. Much discussion about this on the sony forum - hundreds of threads...
    3)Instability! Random, none repeatable crashing for no reason. Even just clicking a button can trigger a crash. That drove me nuts.
    4)New Blue titler issues. Ok, not Sony's fault directly but they did included the titler pro as a bundled plugin - so i do think they should have checked it and are partially responsible.
    5)GPU issues - artifacts while rendering, turn off GPU and its ok.
    6)Total lack of comms from SCS. Even during beta. No response whatsoever, and none of my suggestions / bug reports were acted upon. Nuf said.
    7)Lack of serious support from the industry. Vegas pro is alone in the world. With the exception of one or two plugin vendors, Vegas is more or less regarded as 'not serious'. Not my words.
    8)No clear guidance from SCS regarding hardware. Some say you must only use pro video cards like Quatro's but their own website states this includes GTX5xx range. Well i have the 570 and had nothing but issues. So something is clearly wrong and they have not made any effort to clear this up for its user base. PS. my same 570 is flawless with Premiere. Go figure.
    9) i could go on... but wont. I recently left the Sony forum mainly out of frustration and lack of response from SCS.
    10) what does Dynamic Ram Preview actually do anyway? lol. Useless explanations - all of which are just speculation. Again, not a single word from SCS.

    I know this sounds like Vegas bashing. Its not.. I have been a loyal user for years and this is painful. But eventually, something had to change. And since SCS made no real effort, i walked.
    Always open to returning to Vegas one day, who knows. But right now - i simply dont trust it.

    Paul.
  4. Ivan Lietaert Chatty!

    VMS12's core is based on Vegas Pro 11. (VMS lags a year behind, you could say.) As weird as it may seem, the consumer targeted version of Vegas Pro is released when most of the bugs and issues have been ironed out by the pro-users in the year that has passed. On my (low spec) system (I only have 3GB ram and a 2.4mhz Q6600 cpu) I have acceptable performance. My graphics card is a low spec CUDA-enabled MSI N520GT model. I make sure to install the most recent driver directly from the nvidia website. Of course, when I add a Magic Bullet Looks filter to my project, I get quite long render times, but my Vegas is extremely stable. In fact, I can't remember when it last crashed, if ever it did. (I jumped from VMS10 to VMS12)
    As far as I know, the SCS-forums are for users and they are never followed by Sony support.
    I only install official software and stay far away from codec packs.
  5. Paul Wood Chatty!

    Yes with regard to only installing official software and latest official drivers - me too, always have done. PC is completely rock stable with any other memtest, Cpu stress test or application.
    Its interesting you find good stability with VMS, my experience with VP 11/12 has been the complete opposite!
    The core code used between VMS and VP are different although some plugins are shared. And the GUI (which has been unstable with me) is certainly different. The Sony Vegas forum is indeed a peer orientated user forum for self help and mutual user benefit. And that's good thing! Some great people on there with a real passion for Vegas, i was one of them. But the SCS guys do pop in with the odd comment from time to time, it seems unfortunately never when you really need them or when its important. Almost feels like a token gesture rather then help.
    Going through the proper channels (ticket system) doesn't really work either. Usually the response comes back after a new release update which can take weeks or months. And then they say something like 'an update was released to fix your issue...'. So you download the update only to find its not.. better luck next time? :(

    Again sorry for the negativity... I come in peace. And happy new year!.
    Paul.
  6. Jay Allen I'm new!

    i feel your pain. I have been with vegas since version 3. Shortly after sony bought vegas the bugs started to appear.
    now with version 12 crashes are a normal part of my day. I have 4 systems and all 4 have issues with svp12 but not cs6 or any other program i have. i was invited to be a beta tester for svp12 and 2 days after i downloaded it the product was released.
    It is far more important for sony to release the product than to fix it. I dont want any more bells and whistles like 3d...i just want a stable full preview. a lot of the "new" features simple do not work, but the public is the one who has to get stuck with it.
    If sony treats vegas like they did bluray, the product wont be around much longer. I love vegas, i edit very fast on it, i just hate to see it go down hill.

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